Is ObjC++ still in time for 4.0?

[Matt Austern]

On Nov 18, 2004, at 5:38 PM, Helge Hess wrote:

> On 19. Nov 2004, at 01:37 Uhr, Ziemowit Laski wrote:
>>> Zem is asking me to design his frontend's data structures for him.  I
>>> don't have time to do that right now, and Zem hasn't done the design
>>> work himself, so we're waiting.
>> Since Geoff has objected to every design proposal I made, then 
>> naturally
>> I was (and am) expecting a constructive alternative.
>
> So the situation seems to be that you have proposed designs which were 
> rejected by Geoff, probably because they were either considered 
> incomplete or unacceptable.
> Obviously you can't expect an alternative from him (does he work for 
> you or Apple?), as he mentions he has the time to review stuff for 
> inclusion but not to propose designs.
>
> The question for me is how we can resolve the situation to get 
> forward. Is there any other GCC maintainer besides Geoff who has the 
> authority to review your proposals for inclusion and to mediate 
> between you two?
> In case a theoretical "other" also rejects your proposals, can we find 
> someone who can come up constructive alternatives people can agree on?
>
> Or maybe Apple can consult (aka pay) Geoff to come up with a 
> "constructive alternative"?

Apple already pays Geoff.  Zem, Geoff, and I are all Apple employees.

This discussion should probably happen offline.  It's in Apple's 
interest for ObjC++ to get into mainline.  It's also in Apple's 
interest to make sure that there aren't any changes that hurt compiler 
performance.  It's silly for this discussion to be happening on an 
international email list when most of the people participating in it 
have offices on the same floor of the same building.

			--Matt