Re: Reporting bugs: there is nothing to gain infrustrating reporters

[Daniel Berlin <dberlin at dberlin dot org>]

On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 10:13 -0400, Scott Robert Ladd wrote:
> Daniel Berlin wrote:
> > Maybe you should start naming names, so we can take stock of the
> > problem.
> 
> Because of Acovea and my reviews of GCC (there are two more coming, one
> in a print magazine), a lot of people write me privately. This happens
> with commercial compilers as well... and combining those e-mails with
> conversations in IRC and other mailing lists, I have ample evidence that
> many people feel that the GCC developer community is not very welcoming.

Again, *please* provide examples other than "The bugmasters are mean".

> I am not the only voice in these threads, though. Several people have
> expressed feelings herein that are similar to mine.

I've seen two people trolling this thread claiming that because gcc
doesn't agree with their viewpoint, they are wrong and unfriendly.

> 
> > How do you  expect things to adapt and change if you won't give us
> > examples?
> 
> We've made productive suggestions. People have cited specific examples.
> For example,
> 
> 1) Bugmasters could be less perfunctory and pejorative in their
> comments. Examples have been given.

I thought we were talking about the gcc developer community, not only
the bug reporting system?
You keep saying "the mailing lists are not very welcoming".
I've not seen any examples of this.

> 3) To keep Steven's bloodpressure down, I suggest a new mailing list,
> gcc-design, where engineers like myself can propose designs and concepts
> without upsetting those who find such discussions annoying.

You are more than free to post designs on gcc@ if you want. However, you
seem to interpret what appears to be constructive criticism as "not very
friendly" at times.