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Re: [3.2/3.3/HEAD] Make all the manuals unambiguously DFSG free


jbuck@synopsys.com (Joe Buck)  wrote on 23.01.03 in <20030123150602.A15387@synopsys.com·2>:

> In any case, it appears that the FSF and the Debian folks may find
> themselves at an impasse: the FSF wants to be able to spread its message
> ("propaganda" for those who don't like it) by including it in manuals, and
> Debian seems to be trying to extend the DFSG to non-software and wants to
> bar attempts to do this.

Just a small clarification of the ebian side: there is no expansion going  
on here. The DFSG were *always* meant to apply to everything in Debian; it  
is only recently that people noticed that much documentation has  
conflicting licences. When the DFSG were created, most everyone probably  
assumed that documentation to a program was usually under the exact same  
terms as the source, and that this was certainly true for FSF packages - I  
know I was. Come to think of it, I'm rather certain the DFSG are quite a  
bit older than the GFDL ...

Then people became astonished and upset at realizing that the software  
package that inspired the creation of the GPL (which is probably the main,  
at least motivational, influence on the DFSG), Emacs, is one of the worst  
offenders with its must-keep-propaganda clause. While I've given up on  
trying to have any kind of position in the debate of what to do about the  
DFSG-conflict problem, I will say that I am also one of those who feel  
this stinks of hypocrisy, and who completely fail to understand why there  
should be a material licensing difference between a program and its  
documentation.

In any case, this is not the place to discuss Emacs, so the above is only  
meant to shed some light on the background of this debate.

MfG Kai


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