[gnu@gnu.org: [Fwd - Frm: sergei@servermail.cepro.cefetpr.br, Subj: failurenotice!]]

Reed Kotler reedkotler@hotmail.com
Fri Jun 2 12:28:00 GMT 2000

THere is an old saying that love and hate are very close
emotions, with one turning into the other so easily.

I guess freedom and tyranny/control have the same relationship.

>From: Mike Stump <mrs@windriver.com>
>To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, reedkotler@hotmail.com, rms@gnu.org
>Subject: Re: [gnu@gnu.org: [Fwd - Frm: sergei@servermail.cepro.cefetpr.br, 
>Subj: failure notice!]]
>Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:20:35 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: "Reed Kotler" <reedkotler@hotmail.com>
> > To: rms@gnu.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
> > Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:33:03 PDT
> > I wish that cygnus would stop using that oppressive anti-spam
> > method. It serves no purpose other than to satisfy the control
> > freaks masquerading as do gooders at http://www.orbs.org/ .
>That is your opinion, thanks for sharing.  We have thought about the
>issue, and have decided upon a course of action.  Our opinion does
>differ.  We believe that it is better to satisfy the needs of the
>regular readers in the manner that we do.
> > I have to post from my hotmail account and thus maintain dual
> > accounts so I can post at these lists. I guess verio which is one of
> > the biggest ISPs in the world is not good enough for lists where
> > people discuss obscure issues of free software tools.
>That's right.  As you mention, you already have a solution, use
> > I have some popular non computer discussion lists at egroups.com and
> > it is very rare that we are ever spammed. Just requiring that people
> > sign up before posting eliminates most of this.
>We want to encourage posting from a very wide base of people,
>requiring signup before posting limits the people that can discuss
>things, we feel this would be bad for our project, hence we don't do
>it.  Because we don't do this, we _do_ have occasional bursts of spam.
>This is not a theory, it happens.  We don't want to exist as good
>spamming list for spammers, so we necessarily try and block what spam
>we can.
> > To worry about spammers of the binutils or gcc discussion list is an
> > incredible joke.
>Only to a non-regular reader like yourself.  Become a regular reader,
>and you will understand.
>We as a community, have standards for posting, they include not being
>on the antispam lists.  Your ISP doesn't meet these standards.  Your
>complaint is with your ISP.  A good ISP will _never_ be on any of the
>antispam lists. You just didn't research your ISP selection well
>enough before signing.  I'd recommend a new ISP.

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