Re: gcc : c++11 : full support : eta?

[Alec Teal <a dot teal at warwick dot ac dot uk>]

On 23/01/13 19:05, Richard Biener wrote:
> Uday Khedker <uday@cse.iitb.ac.in> wrote:
>
> > I have been trying to do my stuff for a few years. We conduct a
> > programme called "Essential Abstractions in GCC" which is aimed at
> > taking a novice to a level from where she can do independent
> > experimentation with GCC internals.
> >
> > I put together a bunch of teaching assistants (about 15 of them) for
> > about 60 participants. Carefully designed programming assignments are
> > an
> > integral part of the training. The program ends with us summarizing the
> > essential abstractions in 17 or 18 pictures with the hope that if one
> > can understand the concepts represented by the pictures, one can walk
> > the maze of the GCC code.
> >
> > You can find the details of the latest offering at
> > http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/grc/gcc-workshop-12/.
> >
> > I would like to take this training program to the next level but so
> > long
> > it remains my personal baby, my funding agency does not feel that I
> > have
> > accomplished much because they feel that if my program has any merit,
> > the GCC community would adopt it :-(
When I rule the world you will not have such problems. Seriously can you 
not reason with them?
> Can you hint at what they would consider adopting it? I suppose it is not simply linking to it from the wiki or the website?
>
> Richard.
>
> > Uday.
> >
> > Aldy Hernandez wrote, On Wednesday 23 January 2013 08:07 PM:
> > > Uday Khedker<uday@cse.iitb.ac.in>  writes:
> > >
> > > > I think we need to come out of the "documentation" mindset. No
> > amount
This is being dragged up A LOT actually, and a lot of the clang-vs-gcc 
myths are just that, ALSO I was lead to believe GCC used some hand-coded 
stuff for final code output, one of the reasons I liked LLVM is because 
it seems sensible, I've just read a power-point presentation on RTL, 
GIMPLE cannot be a step back!

Alec.
> > > > of conventional documentation is going to help. What we need is a
> > > > training material that included well defined assignments.
> > > FWIW, I initially learned GCC by an internal training program Jeff
> > Law
> > > devised over a decade ago (*).  So perhaps there is some truth to the
> > above
> > > statement.
> > >
> > > Of course, it didn't hurt that I had a cadre of good and patient
> > > maintainers willing to answer questions.
> > >
> > > [Before anybody asks, the training program is probably no longer
> > > relevant.  So no fair bugging Jeff about it :)].
> > >
> > > But anyways, that's just me.  Different folk learn differently.
> > >
> > > Aldy
> > >
> > > (*) I think Alex Oliva was also a student of the Law training program
> > :).
I just want to say you guys have been so nice! Totally not what I 
expected, so thanks for that!
>