Patch to GCC web page /lists.html

[Jason Molenda <jsm at cygnus dot com>]

Committed.  I removed Jeff's e-mail address as a contact point.
If they're really desperate they could try postmaster (which will go
to me).

Jeff, if this disheartens you, I can add your address back in.
With my recent change to stop RBL checks for mailing list commands
(subscribing/unsubscribing), I don't think there is any valid reason
why someone needs to contact a human to get on or off any of the GCC
mailing lists.

J

1999-09-28  Jason Molenda  (jsm@bugshack.cygnus.com)

        * lists.html: Shorten local URLs to not include the sitename.
        Add the ML subscribe/unsubscribe HTML form.

        Tell people to use List-Unsubscribe to get off lists; drop Jeff's
        e-mail address as a means of last resort.

        Add section on spam blocking; update list of RBLs and note addr
        obscurification in web archives.


Index: lists.html
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RCS file: /cvs/egcs/wwwdocs/htdocs/lists.html,v
retrieving revision 1.28
diff -u -p -u -1 -r1.28 lists.html
--- lists.html	1999/09/21 21:06:15	1.28
+++ lists.html	1999/09/28 22:32:19
@@ -7,15 +7,6 @@
 
+<p>The GCC project has many mailing lists:
 
-If you have problems sending mail to the GCC mailing lists, note that
-we block spam sites and open mail relays by subscribing to
-<a href="http://maps.vix.com/rbl/">MAPS
-RBL</a> and <a href="http://www.orbs.org/">ORBS</a>. Please do not
-complain to us, but ask your server admin to fix his setup.
-
-<p>Please read the subscribe/unsubscribe instructions carefully.  They 
-may have changed since you last visited this page.
-
-
 <ul>
-  <li><b><a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-announce/">gcc-announce</a></b>
+  <li><b><a href="/ml/gcc-announce/">gcc-announce</a></b>
   is a read-only low volume list where
@@ -23,3 +14,3 @@ may have changed since you last visited 
 
-  <li><b><a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc/">gcc</a></b>
+  <li><b><a href="/ml/gcc/">gcc</a></b>
   is a high volume list for general development discussions about gcc.
@@ -28,3 +19,3 @@ may have changed since you last visited 
 
-  <li><b><a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-help/">gcc-help</a></b>
+  <li><b><a href="/ml/gcc-help/">gcc-help</a></b>
   is a relatively high volume list for people searching for help in building
@@ -32,3 +23,3 @@ may have changed since you last visited 
 
-  <li><b><a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-bugs/">gcc-bugs</a></b>
+  <li><b><a href="/ml/gcc-bugs/">gcc-bugs</a></b>
   is a relatively high volume list for bug reports and general discussion
@@ -36,3 +27,3 @@ may have changed since you last visited 
 
-  <li><b><a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-patches/">gcc-patches</a></b>
+  <li><b><a href="/ml/gcc-patches/">gcc-patches</a></b>
   is a relatively high volume list for patch submissions and discussion of
@@ -41,3 +32,3 @@ may have changed since you last visited 
 
-  <li><b><a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-cvs/">gcc-cvs</a></b>
+  <li><b><a href="/ml/gcc-cvs/">gcc-cvs</a></b>
   is a read-only, relatively high volume list which tracks checkins to the
@@ -45,3 +36,3 @@ may have changed since you last visited 
 
-  <li><b><a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-cvs-wwwdocs/">gcc-cvs-wwwdocs</a></b>
+  <li><b><a href="/ml/gcc-cvs-wwwdocs/">gcc-cvs-wwwdocs</a></b>
   is a read-only, relatively low volume list which tracks checkins to
@@ -49,3 +40,3 @@ may have changed since you last visited 
 
-  <li><b><a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-testresults/">
+  <li><b><a href="/ml/gcc-testresults/">
   gcc-testresults</a></b> is a moderate volume list where test results for
@@ -54,7 +45,6 @@ may have changed since you last visited 
 
-<p>To post a message, just send mail to
-<i>listname</i><tt>@gcc.gnu.org</tt>.
+<p>To post a message, just send mail to <i>listname</i><tt>@gcc.gnu.org</tt>.
 
 
-<a name="msgsize"><h2>Policies</h2></a>
+<h2><a name="msgsize">Policies</a></h2>
 
@@ -73,10 +63,10 @@ and try to avoid cross posting a message
 <p>Web archives for all mailing lists are on-line
-(<a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-announce/">gcc-announce</a>,
-<a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc/">gcc</a>,
-<a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-bugs/">gcc-bugs</a>,
-<a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-help/">gcc-help</a>,
-<a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-patches/">gcc-patches</a>,
-<a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-cvs/">gcc-cvs</a>,
-<a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-cvs-wwwdocs/">gcc-cvs-wwwdocs</a>, and
-<a href="http://egcs.cygnus.com/ml/gcc-testresults/">gcc-testresults</a>),
+(<a href="/ml/gcc-announce/">gcc-announce</a>,
+<a href="/ml/gcc/">gcc</a>,
+<a href="/ml/gcc-bugs/">gcc-bugs</a>,
+<a href="/ml/gcc-help/">gcc-help</a>,
+<a href="/ml/gcc-patches/">gcc-patches</a>,
+<a href="/ml/gcc-cvs/">gcc-cvs</a>,
+<a href="/ml/gcc-cvs-wwwdocs/">gcc-cvs-wwwdocs</a>, and
+<a href="/ml/gcc-testresults/">gcc-testresults</a>),
 plus you can also <a href="ftp://egcs.cygnus.com/pub/gcc/mail-archives/">
@@ -91,15 +81,46 @@ the search function, send a copy to
 
-<h2>Subscription</h2>
+<h2>Subscribing/unsubscribing</h2>
 
-<p>To subscribe to a list, send a blank mail to
-<code><i>listname</i>-subscribe@gcc.gnu.org</code>
+<p>You will be able to subscribe or unsubscribe from any of the GCC mailing
+lists via this form:
 
-<p>To unsubscribe, send a blank mail to 
-<code><i>listname</i>-unsubscribe@gcc.gnu.org</code>
+<blockquote>
+<form method="post" action="/cgi-bin/ml-request">
+  Mailing list: 
+  <select name="listname">
+   <option value="gcc-announce">gcc-announce
+   <option value="gcc">gcc
+   <option value="gcc-help">gcc-help
+   <option value="gcc-bugs">gcc-bugs
+   <option value="gcc-patches">gcc-patches
+   <option value="gcc-cvs">gcc-cvs
+   <option value="gcc-cvs-wwwdocs">gcc-cvs-wwwdocs
+   <option value="gcc-testresults">gcc-testresults
+  </select>
+  <tt>&nbsp;</tt>
+  Your e-mail address:
+  <input type="text" name="username" size="14">
+ <br>
+  <input type="checkbox" name="digest">Digest version
+  <tt>&nbsp;</tt>
+  <select name="operation">
+    <option value="subscribe">subscribe
+    <option value="unsubscribe">unsubscribe
+  </select>
+  <tt>&nbsp;</tt>
+ <input type="Submit" name="submit" value="Process that!">
+</form>
+</blockquote>
+
+<p>If you're having trouble getting off a list, look at the
+<b><tt>List-Unsubscribe:</tt></b> header.  It has your subscribed address
+included in it.  Send mail to that address (omit the <tt>mailto:</tt>
+part) and you'll be unsubscribing yourself from that mailing list.
+You'll need to confirm the unsubscription, of course.
+
+<p>Please trust in the <tt>List-Unsubscribe:</tt> header.  Every person
+who has said "I can't get off this list!  Unsubscribe me!" has found,
+with enough prodding, that sending mail to the address listed in
+<tt>List-Unsubscribe:</tt> does the trick.
 
-<p>Each list also has a digest, which you can subscribe to by sending mail
-to
-<code><i>listname</i>-digest-subscribe@gcc.gnu.org</code>
-
-
 <h2>Help</h2>
@@ -108,12 +129,30 @@ to
 <code><i>listname</i>-help@gcc.gnu.org</code>.</p>
+
+<h2>Spam blocking</h2>
 
-<p>As a <em>last</em> resort, for example if you want to unsubscribe
-while your mail server is listed by ORBS, contact <a
-href="mailto:law@cygnus.com">law@cygnus.com</a>.</p>
+<p>To reduce spam sent to the GCC mailing lists, a handful of Realtime
+Blackhole Lists (RBLs) are consulted.  If you're sending mail from a
+site that is listed in one of these RBLs, contact your site administrator
+about fixing your mail setup.  Spammers are taking advantage of your
+site to relay their spam.
+
+<p>The following RBLs are consulted on all e-mail before it is distributed:
+<a href="http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/">MAPS RBL</a>, 
+<a href="http://www.mail-abuse.org/rss/">MAPS RSS</a>, 
+<a href="http://www.orbs.org/">ORBS</a>, 
+<a href="http://www.mail-abuse.org/dul/">MAPS DUL</a>, and 
+<a href="http://www.imrss.org/dssl/">DSSL</a>.
+
+
+<p>To complicate the harvesting of e-mail addresses from the web archives
+of the GCC mailing lists, some simple transformations are done on the
+e-mail addresses.  It isn't perfect, but short of destructively modifying
+addresses or omitting addresses altogether, there isn't a whole lot we
+can do right now.
 
 <hr>
-<p><a href="index.html">Return to the gcc home page</a>
+<p><a href="/">Return to the gcc home page</a>
 
 <hr>
-<p><i>Last modified:  September 21, 1999</i>
+<p><i>Last modified:  September 28, 1999</i>