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I guess it's alive... FYI - great article on compiled java in the latest Embedded Systems magazine - good press for the fine folks at Cygnus. Question: their web site specs out $149.00 for Linux compiler kit, and somewhere else on their web mentions the new java front end from the article, but has no sense of price. Is there a ball-park price for that product, and when can we play with it? %^) (compiled java fibinacci (sp?) competes favorably with compiled 'C' version! in size and speed - and compiled java - from source or bytecode - should load/run bytecode java dynamically at run time! This is magic!) be well, --danno