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Re: GCC version bikeshedding
- From: Richard Biener <richard dot guenther at gmail dot com>
- To: Jonathan Wakely <jwakely dot gcc at gmail dot com>
- Cc: Jakub Jelinek <jakub at redhat dot com>, Eric Botcazou <ebotcazou at libertysurf dot fr>, Ian Lance Taylor <iant at google dot com>, GCC Development <gcc at gcc dot gnu dot org>, Jason Merrill <jason at redhat dot com>
- Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:21:56 +0200
- Subject: Re: GCC version bikeshedding
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Richard Biener
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wakely <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> On 6 August 2014 10:06, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 11:04:14AM +0200, Richard Biener wrote:
>>>> > - libstdc++ ABI changes (it is a significant user visible change,
>>>> > if you rebuild everything, no extra effort is needed, but otherwise
>>>> > if you want some C++ code built with older compilers work together
>>>> > with code built with newer compilers, it might require source code
>>>> > changes (the abi_tag attribute additions where needed and warning
>>>> > suggest to put those at), at least that is my current understanding
>>>> > of the plans
>>>> But that's only with -std=c++11? Which had no compatibility
>>>> guarantees before?
>>> No, AFAIK it is also -std=c++98. At least my understanding was that
>>> std::list and std::string are going to change ABI (and get new abi_tag)
>>> in all C++ modes. Jonathan/Jason/Paolo, is that right?
>> Correct. We want C++03 code to continue to be able to interoperate
>> with C++11 code.
>> It's an ABI change for all modes (but not a SONAME change because the
>> old and new definitions will both be present in the .so).
> Ugh. That's going to be a nightmare to support. Is there a configure
> switch to change the default ABI used? That is, on a legacy system
> can I upgrate to 5.0 and get code that interoperates fine with code
> built with 4.8? (including ABI boundaries using the affected classes?
> I suspect APIs with std::string passing are _very_ common, not
> sure about std::list)
> What's the failure mode the user will see when linking against a
> 4.8 compiled library with a std::string interface using 5.0?
And how do libraries with such an API avoid silently changing their
ABI dependent on the compiler used to compile them? That is,
I suppose those need to change their SONAME dependent on
the compiler version used?!