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Re: PROPOSAL: Objective-C++
- From: Ovidiu Predescu <ovidiu at cup dot hp dot com>
- To: Stan Shebs <shebs at apple dot com>
- Cc: LHelldorf at kabel dot de, discuss-gnustep at gnu dot org,discuss-gnustep-admin at gnu dot org, gcc at gcc dot gnu dot org, snaroff at apple dot com,Markus Grabert <xam at student dot cs dot ucc dot ie>,Ziemowit Laski <zlaski at apple dot com>
- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:58:14 -0800
- Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Objective-C++
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:51:21 -0800, Stan Shebs <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Ovidiu Predescu wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:04:26 +0100, LHelldorf@kabel.de wrote:
> > > >IMO when we talk about standardizing Objective-C, we talk about the
> > > >runtime system and the language itself. Fortunately the language is
> > > >pretty much similar across compilers, as the most widely used compiler
> > > >is the GNU compiler. It may be a problem with the POC compiler of
> > > >David Stes, we need to talk to him about that.
> > >
> > > David Stes, isn't that the guy that hates any NS*-ism concerning
> > > Objective-C? I remember one thread in comp.lang.objective-c, where David
> > > Stes was ranting about Apple not using Object but NSObject as the root
> > > class of their Objcetive-C implementation.
> > I don't want to defend David Stes here, but as an Objective-C compiler
> > developer I think he ought to represent his ideas in such a
> > discussion. There are many neat things in POC that are quite
> > interesting, like blocks for example. I'm sure some of these ideas
> > would benefit the GNU compiler implementation in the long run. I think
> > David's hate of NS*-ism is irrelevant here, as we are talking about
> > the language and the runtime system.
> Some months ago on comp.lang.objective-c I invited him to participate
> in FSF GCC development, independently of Apple's participation, but
> he didn't respond. The invitation is still open, there's nothing to
> keep him from working with the FSF.
Interesting to know...
Anyway, regardless of his willingness to participate, I believe we
should take some of the ideas from the Stepstone language and from POC
and implement them in GCC. There are quite powerful, and we need to
refresh the language a little bit if we want Objective-C to still be
around in the years to come.
Ovidiu Predescu <email@example.com>
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