Re: [gnu@gnu.org: [Fwd - Frm: sergei@servermail.cepro.cefetpr.br, Subj: failure notice!]]

[Mike Stump <mrs at windriver dot com>]

> From: "Reed Kotler" <reedkotler@hotmail.com>
> To: rms@gnu.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:33:03 PDT

> I wish that cygnus would stop using that oppressive anti-spam
> method. It serves no purpose other than to satisfy the control
> freaks masquerading as do gooders at http://www.orbs.org/ .

That is your opinion, thanks for sharing.  We have thought about the
issue, and have decided upon a course of action.  Our opinion does
differ.  We believe that it is better to satisfy the needs of the
regular readers in the manner that we do.

> I have to post from my hotmail account and thus maintain dual
> accounts so I can post at these lists. I guess verio which is one of
> the biggest ISPs in the world is not good enough for lists where
> people discuss obscure issues of free software tools.

That's right.  As you mention, you already have a solution, use
hotmail.

> I have some popular non computer discussion lists at egroups.com and
> it is very rare that we are ever spammed. Just requiring that people
> sign up before posting eliminates most of this.

We want to encourage posting from a very wide base of people,
requiring signup before posting limits the people that can discuss
things, we feel this would be bad for our project, hence we don't do
it.  Because we don't do this, we _do_ have occasional bursts of spam.
This is not a theory, it happens.  We don't want to exist as good
spamming list for spammers, so we necessarily try and block what spam
we can.

> To worry about spammers of the binutils or gcc discussion list is an
> incredible joke.

Only to a non-regular reader like yourself.  Become a regular reader,
and you will understand.


We as a community, have standards for posting, they include not being
on the antispam lists.  Your ISP doesn't meet these standards.  Your
complaint is with your ISP.  A good ISP will _never_ be on any of the
antispam lists. You just didn't research your ISP selection well
enough before signing.  I'd recommend a new ISP.