Re: PROPOSED PATCH: Robustify cp_fold_obj_type_ref() for ObjC++ use

[Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr at cs dot tamu dot edu>]

Andrew Pinski <pinskia@physics.uc.edu> writes:

| On Sep 21, 2004, at 12:29 AM, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
| >
| > That is becoming ridiculous.  Why do Objective-C++ people want to
| > modify the C++ front-end with C++ maintainers having no say?
| Huh, I am not a Objective-C++ maintainer as much as you are a C++
| maintainer.  Yes I am the maintainer of the support library
| for Objective-C but that is just like you are a maintainer for
| libstdc++ nothing more.  Also this was asked with approval and not
| just committed like your name-lookup changes which to me looks
| like a violation of trust (also you broke powerpc-darwin with
| those changes IIRC as I had to fix them twice).

Which violation of trust?  I committed the name lookup changes after
regression testing on the plateform I mentioned in the patches.  When,
Mark said he no longer wanted a name lookup patch, there were no more
name lookup patch.  Until he implemented, recently, most of the
changes I planned at the time.

| >   Why is
| > it that when it comes to Objective-C++, do some otherwise respectable
| > people at Apple come with those games?
| 
| Huh????????? Really if we want to get along in the the GCC
| world, I think we need to understand each other and not say
| "why are people are playing these games".  I am not playing a

The question needs to be asked because the issue seem to be recurent
now, for some reasons, with Objective-C++.

| game unless you think questioning maintainers is a game when it
| is like questioning the police why they rejected something.  I

There is a difference between questioning maintainers and stating

   Someone who would like to see the Objective-C++ patches just
   approved instead of being brutalized unlike optimization patches
   which you (Mark) basically approved without any or little comment.  

| am just arguing my side of story to which you call games.
| It is still my side of the story and you can disagree with it
| but don't call this playing games as it is not.
| 
| Another thing I am writing this as a non-Apple employee (I am no
| longer an intern at Apple anymore).  But really the C++ front-end
| people are looking more and more dictators than maintainers.
| Making the wrong decision.

So, the right decision is to approve patch from Objective-C++ people
modifying the C++ front-end without C++ people saying nothing?  You
must have a singular definition or "dictator".

| The only reason I got involved with
| this patch in the first place is because Mark did not understand
| what Objective-C was using OBJ_TYPE_REF in the first place.  The

If you believe he or any other C++ people did not understand an
Objective=C/C++ bit, and you believe you know better, you're welcome
to enlighten.  As far as I can determine, you've gone beyond.
To the effect of unpleasant precedent.

-- Gaby